"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
06/10/2014 at 11:10 • Filed to: 2wheelsgood
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"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
06/10/2014 at 11:10 • Filed to: 2wheelsgood | 4
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so I want to start doing track days this year. I dont want to wreck my daily rider at the track...
I found a 1996 Ducati 900 (salvage title) for 1800 about an hour away. I was planning a GSX-R swap on the SV to get it track ready, but if i can swing this bike......
Thoughts Oppo? Its REALLY REALLY tempting.....and I woundt need insurance for it either.....
EDIT: here is the link to the bike:
!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!
EDIT #2: to calrify, I'm doing a GSX-R suspension swap, not motor swap.
UPDATE#1: Just got off the phone wt tae seller. bike has a minor sctrach on the frame, fires right up and runs MINT. Going to see it friday, and if it passes MY check, buying it and picking it up saturday
michael bleggi
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 08:27 |
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this.... this is fantastic.....
Jeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 08:29 |
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My friend, you have come to the wrong place to be dissuaded from bad ideas that sound awesome.
Do it.
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bob and john
> michael bleggi
06/09/2014 at 08:29 |
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here the thing: i budgeted 1400 for the fork swap. i can go ~ 500 over and get an ENTIRE BIKE that I could then part out........
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bob and john
> Jeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
06/09/2014 at 08:31 |
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I know.....I'm hoping someone here had a bit of pity for me....
I'm just wondering how my dad would take it if he came home one day and found a 3rd motorcyce in the garage (my SV, his BMW, and this....)
QCGoose
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 09:56 |
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Do you have a link to said Ducati? I'm curious to see the pics. Was it wrecked or just mechanical issues?
Also, I'm guessing it's a 900SS (SP or CR?); make sure you check the frame near the steering stem; they're prone to cracking under stress, though it's more of an issue on the earlier ones ('92-'94) as opposed to the later bikes ('95-'98). Still, it's something to look for, especially if it's been wrecked.
I'm still torn between adding a Ducati Monster M900 (either carb'd or injected) or a '95-'97 900SS/CR to my fleet. I love both, and that 900 engine with a nice set of pipes sounds like God's own drum solo; pure auditory porn.
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bob and john
> QCGoose
06/09/2014 at 10:14 |
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http://www.zdenocycle.ca/en/preinv/list…
here ya go. added it to the original post as well
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QCGoose
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 10:45 |
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Oh man, that poor Monster. That seriously hurts to view lol.
Hard to tell what happened to it (quite likely a lowside as nothing seems severely damaged), but that garage-project paintjob is awful.
However, since it isn't the SS, the frame cracking issue isn't an issue. If it's mechanically sound, and the frame and swingarm aren't tweaked, then I'd say that's actually not a bad project to start with. It isn't an ideal trackbike by any means (you'd actually be better off with your SV), but it'd still be fun.
One thing with the Monsters is that their suspensions were pretty basic, though the same is true for your SV, so you'd want to invest almost all your effort in that first. And some years of the Monster had non-adjustable suspension; something to keep in mind since it's gonna be a track bike.
Also, should you get that bike, change the timing belts immediately. Whether due to miles or age, just replace them. It's easy and you won't grenade your engine.
I'd personally wanna find out more about that bike in particular, but I suppose I wouldn't feel bad offering $1500 cash and see what they say.
However, if I'm being completely honest, there'd be far more bikes I'd consider for a trackbike before I'd pick that Ducati, cheap/salvage or not. Again, it'd still be fun, but FAR from ideal.
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bob and john
> QCGoose
06/09/2014 at 11:31 |
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yea, the initial idea was the change the suzuki over to GSX-R suspension and track that, but its my daily rider, and i know insurance wouldnt pay out if something happened to it on the track.
The duc is cheap, and I feel like it would be a decent bike to start getting my hands dirty with (mech eng student, so I think i can take it)
duc looks like it has already been crashed, and franky? up in canada, u cant really find any other bikes to do this to. Thats why i wanna jump on this.
Worst case scenario, i part it out and make a little bit of cash. monster parts are well worth 2k, right?
Saloon_Hoon
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 12:34 |
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So first questions - have you done track days before and are you equipped with all the gear you'll need for the track; ability to shuttle your gear/bike to/from the track etc?
I ask because I'm on the same track (pun intended)
I've got a few bikes of which I don't want to intentionally track them to death - my very avid track riding coworker suggested I look for someone's track ready bike and buy that to learn on etc. The main essential setup would be ~$500 in setup of suspension, possibly newish tires, some minor maintenance to be ready for day 1.
Not a bad idea as track days are expensive anyway + setting up a bike can get really expensive. Also, are you ready to work on a Ducati? I have a few GSX-Rs myself and can work on them blindfolded; as badly as I want a Ducati, I know there'll be a learning curve to wrenching, diagnosis, learning quirks etc...
still.. that's a nice price - if you've got the drive, do it
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Saloon_Hoon
> Jeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
06/09/2014 at 12:35 |
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That could be the tagline for Oppo haha
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bob and john
> Saloon_Hoon
06/09/2014 at 12:49 |
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i can get it all. gear isnt too much of an issue as is the transpor,t but i have a few friends with truck who might be intrested in taking it for a spin (yes, he has his permit)
working on a ducati: at the end of the day, its just another bike. I'm probably being cocky, but i am in school it be a mechanical engineer, i think i can figure out a bike :P
I defiantly have the drive....but i also have parents and a girlfriend who arent exactly partial to the idea.
fink stinger
> bob and john
06/09/2014 at 13:01 |
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Terrible idea. Once you have it, you will go down the same hot rodding rabbit hole as with any other vehicle...first it will be the forks, then the brake lines, rear shock, gearing, carbs, oil cooler, rotors, master cylinders, rearsets, clipons, 944 kit, clutch, light flywheel, exhaust, wheels, 944 kit, head porting, cams, better exhaust, intakes, better brakes, better wheels, better tires, better exhaust, better wheels, better tires, better exhaust, etc
DO IT DO IT NOW!
Full disclosure: I approve of the Ducati, mainly because I have a 1994 900SS that I used to track pretty heavily. It won't have as much raw power as the GSX-R lump, but they are pretty torquey, fun to ride and sound great.
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bob and john
> fink stinger
06/09/2014 at 13:33 |
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oh, to calrify. i'm not doing a GSX-R MOTOR swap. suspension swap :P
ncasolowork2
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 11:20 |
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Racing on a bike = far more likely to kill you than any other form of motorized transportation.
CAR_IS_MI
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 11:21 |
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Contradictory opinion.
The SV is a great track bike because it has a low entry cost, handles well, and parts can be had relatively cheap. Sure, a salvaged Duc is cheap entry point, but you go down on it once and the cost to repair is just as much, if not more than what you bought it for.
mcseanerson
> Jeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
06/10/2014 at 11:25 |
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This has got to be one of the best lines I've heard on here in a bit
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bob and john
> CAR_IS_MI
06/10/2014 at 11:28 |
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it is. the duc is just atoy, and something i can learn some mechanicale maintenance on. the SV is my daily rider, and given tht its a cheap insurance braket, i can afford to DD it. the duc? not to much.
sides, if i wreck, duc have 2k in parts, right?
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bob and john
> ncasolowork2
06/10/2014 at 11:29 |
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if u dumbass and u do it wrong :P.
LuczOr
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 11:30 |
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That would be tons of fun on a track.
yamahog
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 12:18 |
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I don't really appreciate the condescending way nca put it, but it's accurate. If you're already worried about crashing your daily bike, you have to consider what happens to you in that crash. Not to be morbid, just be aware of your risks and have your affairs in order. I took out short and long term medical insurance (on top of the basic life insurance I already have) through my employer and have beneficiaries set up for my assets.
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bob and john
> yamahog
06/10/2014 at 12:36 |
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well, I dont really have that many affairs to be put in order. (an advantage of being 19)
I'm less worried about the actual crash as I am losing my daily rider/commuter.
as far as medical stuff goes, i'm up here in canuckistan. Free healthcare.
jkm7680
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 12:37 |
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Nice looking Duc. The rear mudgard would have to go though, Haha.
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yamahog
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 12:47 |
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I'm 24, no spouse or kids, but still. Are you in university, if so, do you know their policy on tuition reimbursement should you have to drop out for a semester? Do you know the extent to which your healthcare is covered, and heaven forbid your parents need to take care of a vegetable son, do they have the means to do so? It's not all fun and games, it's shit you have to consider before you start signing waivers at racetracks. My own father is a biker as well, and he still didn't want me to start. Plenty of people who are most certainly not "dumbasses doing it wrong" have gotten killed on two wheels, and it's pretty irresponsible to be more concerned about your mode of transportation than your own risk of serious injury/death, especially since you are worried enough about crashing to get a track-only bike.
/buzzkill
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bob and john
> yamahog
06/10/2014 at 13:13 |
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i'm not worried about crashing the track only bike. thats the reason of getting the track only bike. id be worried about crashing my DAILY bike.
I dont have a car. I dont have where to keep it while I'm at home, and I dont have funds to insure it (bike is under moms name, cheapo insurance)
i'm aware of what my healthcare and limits are (and the uni's policy, although I dont really see how that counts...its not hard to go to class if a broken leg or arm) , and the whole reason to go to the track is IF I crash, I don't wrap myself around a pole or something. I basicly slide on my ass down the track. yea, i'll rip the leathers and helmet. maybe break a bone or 2. Defiantly be rattled. wont be the first, or the last time it would happen to me. So I take the whole "vegetable" thing as going a bit to far on your part.
Is it dangerous? fuck yes its dangerous. I've been riding for 3 years now, I'm well aware of how dangerous it is on the roads for a bike. The track? everyone know what he or she is going, there is plenty of run off (we don't have the nurburgring here in Ontario. sorry) and EM is on the track side.
I get the whole safety aspect of it (no, really, mom is a health and safety engineer), so believe me when I say, i'm well aware of the safety risks and hazards
As well. (Im going to catch flak for this) I'm a believer that 90% of ALL bike accidents can be avoided by the biker, provided he/she is paying attention to the road AND their surroundings. I have at least 2 incidences that I saved myself from because I paid attention to the roads.
"oh, but what about the bad driver who does check his/her mirrors and merges on you"?
well....they arent going to be at the track now are they?
Blze001
> bob and john
06/10/2014 at 16:38 |
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